Comments on tobystactical.com: Remington 700 5R Milspec - Part 3 - shooting resul...

I have a milspec 5R due in part to the great comme...

2011-07-03T15:46:04.524-07:00

I have a milspec 5R due in part to the great comments and article written by Toby here. First off, thank you for all your hard work on this website. I have learned and enjoyed all the information. Toby, I recently tried the Berger VLD 175 Grain as I want a hunting bullet that is fairly accurate. I believe you commented on using the Berger's to a high level of success. Could you, or anyone else comment on the accuracy of the Berger 175 Gr. hunting bullet our of the 5R? What COAL was used? What type of powder & weight? brass & primer? Thank you in advance for any comments you might have.

The reason this rifle performs so well is because ...

2011-05-01T02:00:56.513-07:00

The reason this rifle performs so well is because of the 5R barrel. The 5R refers to the way the rifling is produced. The lands in the rifling are set at an angle rather than being straight across. Some people report higher velocities as well due to less bullet contact and therefore friction. This is what makes it a dream to clean and why it doesn't foul as quickly The 5R rifling was developed by Obermeyer Barrels and is available from them for nearly any rifle action so there is no need to get caught up in the Remington marketing ploy of making small runs of them and only releasing them once a year to limited dealers. This type of marketing is just meant to limit supply while driving up demand with all the advertising hype, therefore driving up the price and making them highly sought after. Just call Obermeyer and get one. The Obermeyer barrel will be of better quality and will most likely perform better than the Remington anyway.

As a kid I always shot a 22 but nothing really ser...

2011-04-05T17:59:18.129-07:00

As a kid I always shot a 22 but nothing really seriously challenging. Than over a couple nights in hischool I read Charles Henderson's Marine Sniper bio on the late Carlos Hathcock. After finishing it I took the Marlin 25 bolt 22 and CCI stingers. I taped a dime to a stick at 100yds. I sat down, took clip out(loaded single shot) so that I craddle rifle on support arm hugging my knee. I closed my eyes and opened again to see where I was aiming, I adjusted a total of 3 times before I naturally had Simmons crosshairs resting on shiny dime. I pulled the trigger smoothly and "tacoed" the dime cold bore shot at 100yds!
A little begginer's luck was part of it I'm sure.

Finally, after getting the 5R and doing the finish...

2011-02-26T00:04:21.571-08:00

Finally, after getting the 5R and doing the finish work with Duracoat and loading up some breaking in rounds, I'm ready for some warmer weather to get it out. It's had plenty of time to cure. Can't wait. Being winter, I thought I'd do all of that before even firing it. Thanks all for the info and ideas. This was probably my 4th Duracoat project (full gun) and it was by far the most ambitious. Will follow up with results and probably reloading questions.

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Another update. Lapua 155 grain HPBT Match, Black...

2010-11-20T17:35:20.359-08:00

Another update. Lapua 155 grain HPBT Match, Black Hills Brass, Reloder 15 powder, CCI BR-2 primers, 0.65MOA for ten shots. Full story here: http://tinyurl.com/23rh6dp

Anon, my best info is at the top of the page, with...

2010-11-01T08:46:24.607-07:00

Anon, my best info is at the top of the page, with the Sierra 175 being the most consistent and accurate (and easy to get). Others would have to chime in if better options exist.

Toby (and other reloaders) I am close to buying a ...

2010-10-30T13:28:21.274-07:00

Toby (and other reloaders) I am close to buying a Leupold VX3 and noticed that they offer the drop compensated dials as a special offer. I just (yesterday) got the R5 but have been working up loads for my 22-250 for varmints this fall so I don't know if or when I can get to my "best accuracy" load for the 5R before the offer expires. To the point, all else being equal, they build them based on bullet coefficient and velocity. The rest is environmental. Can you, or others, summarize what bullet has overall, been the best and what the velocity/charge has been working. I know there are unlimited combos but I've seen a couple of bullets come up over and over and a couple of powders too. I've been using a lot of Varget too. A buyer gets to order 2 dials. After that, they are $59. Thanks in advance.

PS> I have a nice selection of DuraKote paints and have done several guns, mainly for my son (yeah, kind of safe queens). I'll be doing this one for sure! Will post pics some day of the 5R. What's the proceedure to post pics? Do I simply use the Subscribe link at the bottom to gain access?

Congrats on the rifle! In my opinion, any decent ...

2010-08-26T20:10:17.755-07:00

Congrats on the rifle!

In my opinion, any decent scope will work well - the Super Sniper is a good example, at $299... I wouldn't go much cheaper than that though...

I just purchased a 5r from a guy for $800 he said ...

2010-08-26T19:31:22.751-07:00

I just purchased a 5r from a guy for $800 he said it had only shot it about 15 times. I have a scope on it just for temp right now. I took it out to sight it in and shot two shots that went in the same hole but was about 6 inches from center at 100 yards, then adjusted the scope and fired two more dead center in the same hole using fed 168g hollow points. Im pretty impressed can't wait to get it back out and play some more, but i was just wondering what scope would be recomended for this rifle thanks for the input.

Hello, I have a new 5R in 300 win mag and have put...

2010-05-30T19:32:40.951-07:00

Hello,
I have a new 5R in 300 win mag and have put about 100 rounds through it. I broke the barrel in and then started shooting for groups. My groups aren't really good until the gun heats up really good (about 7 consecutive shots)then it will shoot .5 to .4 moa groups at 100 yards with factory PRVI-Partison 165 grain boat tails. I noticed today during cleaning that the bolt face is actually not squarted up anymore. The very bottom of the bolt face where the stainless looking rivet is (about 1/8" down from the ejector pin)it looks as though it has been hammered into something and the bolt metal is actual deformed at the rivet and protrudes at that point beyond the remaining metal on the bolt face. I can see where this protrusion is actually rubbing on the receiver. All of the finish is worn off of this point of the bolt. Additionally the RH bolt lug is digned badly as though it is slamming into the receiver too when the gun recoils. I can actually feel the metal deformations dragging and clicking into the receiver when the bolt locks up. This damage was not present when I received the gun a week ago. Shooting the gun has caused this. I have e-mailed Remington for guidance. I await their response. Have you ever experienced anything like this? Any thoughts.......

(Shakeber here), I am considering a Nightforce bu...

2010-05-04T11:42:38.980-07:00

(Shakeber here), I am considering a Nightforce but just recently was suggested a Vortex Viper. They have a new scope coming out this summer called a Vortex Viper PST (precision shooting tactical) in 4X16X50 with First Focal Plane engraved reticle. This is an illuminated reticle with all the bells and whistles that you normally have to pay additionally for. Check it out. I am seriosly considering this setup. It is available with either moa or milrad reticle with matching turrets.

toby, Honestly, this is a great post. I've b...

2010-04-18T20:20:29.795-07:00

toby,

Honestly, this is a great post. I've been on the hunt for a 700 ss milspec 5r now for a couple monthes. The first bit of info i got on the rifle was from scott at snipercountry. Great guy too, but closely behind I found this website. The information here is wonderful from toby and everyone else. I'm happy to say my rifle will be here next week. I payed a heavy price, but i believe its worth it. I also ordered a 5.5-22X50 NXS Nightforce with mildot reticle, zero-stop, and mil-radian turrets. I went with badger ordinance 20moa bases, medium ultra-lite NF rings, harus cosine indicator, and s-series 6 to 9 bipod. I've been shooting an AR30 338 lapua with pretty much the same set up. Scope is a 8-32X56 NXS. To much scope if anyone is curious. Thought i'd post and thank all of you for the info. I can't wait to shoot the .308. Also, toby did you decide on the fixed power scope based on only shooting 200 yrds, or did you have other reasons?

Hey Toby love the thread, been a follower since la...

2010-04-12T21:16:01.334-07:00

Hey Toby love the thread, been a follower since late last year. I got my 5R last December, set it up with a Leupold MKIV LR M1 3.5-10X40 with Leupold MKIV rings and base. Even coated the stock with Herculiner. I have been doing some very extensive ballistics testing and reloading. just thought I would share some of my findings. I chronograph all my shots and record everything. My best load is 43.5gr Varget seated .015" off the lands (2.930"OAL 2.345"OGIVE) with 175gr SMK, CCI BR-2, & neck sized WIN casings. Yes that is very long and won't fit in the magazine. Depending on the air temperature I consistently get 2580-2600fps. Average 3 shot (center to center)groups range from 1 hole to 0.50" @ 100yds, 0.5-1.0" @ 200yds, and 1.0-1.5" @ 300yds. I'm in OK where 10-20mph wind is a daily norm. I'm sure my longer distances would tighten up w/o the wind drift. The 42.5gr of Varget seated at 2.800"OAL was getting me 2510-30fps in 40degree weather. Same goes for IMR 4064, it shoots very similar to Varget. I tested seating depths and found that less jump gives me smaller groups, in my gun. My magazine length is 2.840" so I load those as secondary rounds for hunting. Not quite as tight but good enough for a quick second shot if needed. They have the same POA so far out to 300 yds. Now I'm testing the Hornady 178gr AMAX with the same recipe. I'm expecting them to be identical to the 175gr SMK. Using my "Ballistic Field Tactical Edition" iphone app I can calculate my bullet drop out to 1,000 yards with precision. I have my drop chart inside my rear flip cap cover. I dial up 3 moa at 300 yards and put every bullet on paper/steel with precision. This is a fantastic app, I use it all the time for all my rifles and reloads. Anyway, that's just a little data that I have found with my gun. I plan on continuing my testing, I shoot every week so I'm constantly adding data. Take care, keep up the good work.

Very nice rundown of the Rem700 MilSpec 5R, Toby! ...

2010-04-06T13:41:49.949-07:00

Very nice rundown of the Rem700 MilSpec 5R, Toby! Thanks for posting! I'm looking to get one pretty soon and slowly piece it together with a decent scope.

Shakeber,

That's awesome at 500 yards! What kind of scope would you look to to shoot beyond 600 yards?

Yeah, SMK, with Federal GMM match brass, 41g Varge...

2010-03-30T11:30:03.985-07:00

Yeah, SMK, with Federal GMM match brass, 41g Varget, Federal GMM primers, and the seating depth is 2.855...

Hey Toby, I bought a 5R and have the barrel broke ...

2010-03-28T19:40:26.174-07:00

Hey Toby, I bought a 5R and have the barrel broke in. What was the latest? you wrote "6-05-2009: Another dream group at the range this morning: .5 inches at 200 yards, from outside edge to outside edge. Subtracting .308 gives me .192". At 200 yards, that is .091 MOA - how about that!!" < Were these 175 SMK? and what brass, powder, primer and seating depth? Thanks man! Your experience is amazing! Getting excited to start the reloads here :)

hi everyone,and toby.. have anyone ever tried imr ...

2010-03-04T22:13:52.372-08:00

hi everyone,and toby.. have anyone ever tried imr 4064? i have a good luck on 42.5 varget seated 2.825 175 smk less than half inch 100 yard 5 shot.i live in hawaii varget comes around barely.now i left with two option imr 4895 and imr 4064 which one should i play? tnx in advance
by the way yall having great groupings making me jealous im looking for a load that is concisted from 100 yard too 400

Dude! A coke can at 500 yards, awesome! Good wor...

2010-02-06T19:56:04.109-08:00

Dude! A coke can at 500 yards, awesome! Good work, and thanks for the post.

Hello Toby, (I'm Shakeber, sorry for posting ...

2010-02-06T19:45:48.392-08:00

Hello Toby, (I'm Shakeber, sorry for posting as anonymous)I have been reading this thread for a while and find it very informative. Thanks for all you have shared. I bought my 5r in 308 back in September and soon thereafter broke the barrel in by shooting 20 rounds thru it and cleaning between each shot using Bore Tech supplies. I eventually set up my rifle as a hunting rifle. I used TPS for the rail and for the tactical rings. I installed a Leupold VX3 4.5 X 14 40mm with Boone and Crockett reticle. I am consistently getting .5 moa at 100 and 200 yds. using 165 gr. Sierra Gameking loaded with 44 gr. of Win 748 powder (~2740 muzzle vel.). I have access to a 1000 yd range but can only effectively shoot to 500 yds with my scope. Last week hit a coke can at 500 yds. I was totally stoked!!! Again, I am set up as a hunting rifle as I live in south Texas. Thanks for your site. You have a big fan here.

congrats on the powder i really do think that it w...

2010-02-01T08:00:17.456-08:00

congrats on the powder i really do think that it will be on par with the varget results , i think if you dont like it as much as the varget, it will be a defenite go to powder if you cant find the other ....you cant go wrong with starting at 42 grains ,Fed 210M primer(if you can find them )Fed brass... i use that all the time, it seem to be a good universal load for all 5 of my 308's with a 2810 C.O.A.L ..I have seen some postings that the M118LR is loaded wtih 43.1GN of RL-15, ...i am willing to try that and see how it works ...i am sitting here with 50 RDS loaded with powder and 175 smk just sitting on them waiting to be seated lol , i am just looking around at some seatting depths to try , so you seat them to 2.855 and the bolt still closes ?.. i havent taken the gun out the safe to check and see if it works ( thats what i should do ) but its such a pain in the butt to get it all put back (lazy i guess lol)....i really enjoyed reading your shootiing tech that you use to get your groups , it really helped me shrink up mine a bit ....one thing that i really think is that case fired brass its a must to get the most out of any rifle .....well let me know how it goes with the loads ... i really enjoy the information that everyone post on the site it is very helpful ....jay

Jay - I just bought some RL-15 for the first time!...

2010-01-31T16:03:40.941-08:00

Jay - I just bought some RL-15 for the first time!

What's a good load I should start with?

I'll work up a batch, and see how it does.

Thanks for the post!

hey toby its about time for you to go to the range...

2010-01-31T14:26:50.933-08:00

hey toby its about time for you to go to the range again and post some shooting results ( love looking at the pictures lol) ....is there any other rifles that you get great groups with ? .well they finaly got the range open at the department again , i tried the varget 41gn on the 175 smk ...it shhots good but i keep going back to the RL-15 , it just seems to be the best choice for most of the 308 rifles i have except one ...the new savage 10 pc that is out , it likes the varget ...i am going to try the 2.855 coal because i truly think the length is one of the most critical things with tuning a load along with case firing for the gun ....you know the most accurate rifle i have is the remington xcr compact tactical it is just sick how it shoots .330 all day @ 100 with just plain non-case fired 168g smk on top of RL-15 , 210m primer with any old brass at 2810 coal .....well hurry up and get to the range ......jay

Looking to purchase a 5r, would like to get the 30...

2010-01-20T16:22:35.041-08:00

Looking to purchase a 5r, would like to get the 300 but haven't heard that it's any more accurate than the Sendero. Is my best choice the .308? Any comments would be greatly appreciated.

That's the beauty of the175 grain match bullet...

2009-12-22T17:26:20.114-08:00

That's the beauty of the175 grain match bullet. Supersonic past 1000!

Toby, do a little research into bullets going subs...

2009-12-22T16:42:12.007-08:00

Toby, do a little research into bullets going subsonic and you will find that a 308 win goes subsonic at about 800 yards. you will have to use a chrony and load to a higher velocity with the right bullet to overcome the problem of the groups opening up past 800 yards